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October 28, 2018 at 10:00 am #93328

Acamm
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I have a question, that that has me a bit confused. Walt Disney World currently has several BRAND NEW DVC resorts under construction:

**Coronado Springs Resort DVC tower
**the new Nature Themed DVC resort near Fort Wilderness
**the new Disney Riviera DVC resort near Caribbean Beach Resort
**not to mention they just finished Copper Creek DVC resort at Wilderness Lodge

My question is why are they building so many DVC resorts that are going to be super expensive, and not more Value or Moderate priced resorts for the common folks, such as myself? I for sure cannot afford to spend $600 per night for a resort room.

Why is WDW not currently building any more Value or Moderate resorts??

Does anyone have any opinions on this topic?

Also… part 2 of my question: the 4 WDW parks are already so crowded, doesn’t it seem logical that if Disney is building these new huge tower DVC resorts with thousands of new rooms, that the parks are going to be even MORE crowded? I wish that they would open a 5th park!!

October 28, 2018 at 10:52 am #93331

85glht
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It doesn’t make sense to me but I’m not their “money guy”. If the parks become so crowded where my wife and I cannot enjoy ourselves, we will seek other vacation destinations. Right now, the parks are more crowded than I can remember and with more rooms available, ugh, I cannot fathom navigating through more people.
Maybe Disney wants, or expects, more families to enjoy the resort amenities and less park time…. who knows. Time will tell

October 28, 2018 at 10:57 am #93332

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maybe they’re pushing to get more dvc members? idk it doesn’t make sense to me either. they’re long overdue for a new park. and yeah the parks have been very crowded lately, i think they need to stop focusing on building more “lands” and focus on a new park in general

October 28, 2018 at 11:05 am #93333

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Don’t forget the new Star Wars hotel coming too! Right now people are flush with cash…I know so many people taking several expensive vacations a year and Disney is just jumping in for a piece of the pie. Plus the large amount of foreigners coming to Disney World…I hear so many different languages every time I go now!

What I do worry about is when the tides turn and people stop having money to spend…will Disney be in a world of hurt with thousands of unused hotel rooms?

October 28, 2018 at 12:26 pm #93341

Acamm
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85glht wrote:

It doesn’t make sense to me but I’m not their “money guy”. If the parks become so crowded where my wife and I cannot enjoy ourselves, we will seek other vacation destinations. Right now, the parks are more crowded than I can remember and with more rooms available, ugh, I cannot fathom navigating through more people. Maybe Disney wants, or expects, more families to enjoy the resort amenities and less park time…. who knows. Time will tell

I agree 100%! I’ve never seen it so crowded as the last 2 years! Def need another theme park!

October 28, 2018 at 12:28 pm #93345

Acamm
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Julia wrote:

maybe they’re pushing to get more dvc members? idk it doesn’t make sense to me either. they’re long overdue for a new park. and yeah the parks have been very crowded lately, i think they need to stop focusing on building more “lands” and focus on a new park in general

Yup…. very much so… I just don’t understand their thinking on this!!

jamiedawn27 wrote:

Don’t forget the new Star Wars hotel coming too! Right now people are flush with cash…I know so many people taking several expensive vacations a year and Disney is just jumping in for a piece of the pie. Plus the large amount of foreigners coming to Disney World…I hear so many different languages every time I go now!
What I do worry about is when the tides turn and people stop having money to spend…will Disney be in a world of hurt with thousands of unused hotel rooms?

Oh yeah, i forgot about the new Star Wars Hotel!! You can bet your bottom dollar that it will probably be so expensive that I won’t even be able to walk in the lobby

October 28, 2018 at 1:54 pm #93354

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We went July 2016 and February 2017. Normally July would be packed and February not so much. I saw no difference between the two. The parks were massively crowded.

We are most DEFINITELY not the money people. We spend a lot of money on getting extra meds, medical supplies, all the stuff you need to take tiny terrors to the parks.

Between that and flights we are looking for deals. Give me All Stars any day. And they are packed. I agree. Why are they building so many spendy hotels? I have zero interest in spending $300-$600 a night at a hotel that we spend 8 hours sleeping in.

I love the parks and I don’t think they’ll ever be so crowded I’ll never come back, but I certainly would not come back if they price people like me out of the game…

October 28, 2018 at 3:17 pm #93357

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I understand your frustration and feel very much the same way. Then I realize something. Disney is a business. A very large, very corporate business. And this boils down to one simple thing. Money. They are not going to build rooms that command $150 for Value or $250 – $300 for Moderate per night when they can build DVC that command $600 per night. They want people to spend $15,000 – $20,000 or more for a DVC contract. Then compound the annual dues on top of that, and they are and will continue to be swimming in the dough. Disney has officially, I think, shifted it’s market to a more higher income base vs. the middle class of years past. Do I wish they would build more Values or Moderates for more choices? Absolutely! But on the flip side the refurb they just completed at Pop makes it feel like a brand new resort. My wife and I will continue to stay there and when we go with the kids will split POFQ as that is when we can afford that.
This is also why they continue to raise ticket prices, in addition to date based ticket pricing. It has nothing to do with “enhancing the guest experience.” It is selling their product or brand for as much as they can. I think we can also forget about a 5th gate. There are several reasons for this in my opinion. One is the labor base available. I just don’t see enough of that to be able to support the amount of people they would need to run it. Another is that Disney is truly a global company. With the lands they are currently working on, I think that is what we will get in Orlando for the foreseeable future. I truly believe they will look to expand, as far as new parks go, in other areas of the world. It’s a tough pill to swallow, but unfortunately one I think we have to come to grips with.

October 28, 2018 at 7:57 pm #93379

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you all make great points. between the DVC-centric construction and date based ticketing, I think much of it is guaranteeing a certain typical overall crowd level at WDW so they can know how to staff the parks and resorts, as well as know how to operate attractions and plan refurbs. Increased DVC plays a part in that, since people will be locked into going (or if they don’t, guaranteed money anyway!).

October 28, 2018 at 8:30 pm #93380

Julia
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@nascfan well said! i didn’t think about the labor they would need, i can totally see that being an issue. it totally sucks, but at least we have double the parks disneyland has

October 29, 2018 at 5:14 pm #93463

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As the population grows, so does the demand for a trip to Disney. They’re really going to need more rooms and that money has to come from somewhere. I doubt a 5th gate will be necessary until the every resort has nearly all rooms full every day and every park has hit capacity every day. I don’t see that happening any time soon.

Here’s a side note, it sure would be nice if they’d fix the things that need fixing. Monorails, Voyage of the Little Mermaid, a replacement for Stitch, just to name a few.

October 29, 2018 at 8:30 pm #93471

chris_white2323
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I’ve often wondered about a 5th gate – what it would be, when, etc. @SEJ101 is right – when the resort is maxed out and they actually see people going elsewhere or not coming at all, then they’ll add that 5th gate. and I have to mention fixing the Yeti on the to do list.

October 31, 2018 at 9:43 am #93599

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As a long time DVC member my thought is, from experience, the advanced booking times are getting ridiculous. 7-11 months in advance because of growing membership and lack of availability. Plus the fact they do not release all rooms that are on site to members because they can charge rack and discounted rate to non members who want to have these types of rooms. DVC is an extremely profitable venture for them. Regardless of what I’ve just mentioned, DVC is great and we are so glad we joined back in 2006.

October 31, 2018 at 12:16 pm #93635

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So, I have been value through and through for years. Just recently, my cousin introduced me to renting DVC. I fell in love with it. We aren’t paying a value price but for sure a moderate. It has been worth it to us. Maybe more and more people are doing that?

October 31, 2018 at 4:54 pm #93662

RememberMagic
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monkcline wrote:

So, I have been value through and through for years. Just recently, my cousin introduced me to renting DVC. I fell in love with it. We aren’t paying a value price but for sure a moderate. It has been worth it to us. Maybe more and more people are doing that?

We have vacationed at WDW every year since 2005, when our boys were 4,4,and 6. Our first few years were spent in moderate resorts(mostly Port OleansRiverside) then we ventured to Deluxes, and began wondering why we hadn’t becom DVC members yet. Then we welcomed our princess to our family and now we need two rooms, or a big villa to accomodate our whole family of 6. This year we experimented by renting DVC points, and we were hooked. Our next trip will be as DVC members(hopefully early in ’19) and I for one can’t wait.
The general difference between staying in deluxe accomidations and DVC is not huge, but the price difference is huge when its divided out over the lifetime of your DVC membership. For the price of our last two trips we could have ~350 points so…… Yeah its worth it for us.
Glad to hear all of the opinions.
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